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	<title>Comments on: Why am I getting Winmail.dat files on my mac from Windows users?</title>
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		<title>By: NinjaAdmin</title>
		<link>http://www.asktheadmin.com/2009/01/why-am-i-getting-winmaildat-files-on-my.html/comment-page-1#comment-9532</link>
		<dc:creator>NinjaAdmin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just found out:

On the exchange server, go to global settings, Internet Message Formats, Default Properties, Advanced tab, for &quot;Exchange Rich-Text Format&quot; select &quot;Never Use&quot;.

This will prevent your Exchange server from using Rich-Text Format and creating winmail.dat files.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just found out:</p>
<p>On the exchange server, go to global settings, Internet Message Formats, Default Properties, Advanced tab, for &#8220;Exchange Rich-Text Format&#8221; select &#8220;Never Use&#8221;.</p>
<p>This will prevent your Exchange server from using Rich-Text Format and creating winmail.dat files.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl L. Gechlik &#124; AskTheAdmin.com</title>
		<link>http://www.asktheadmin.com/2009/01/why-am-i-getting-winmaildat-files-on-my.html/comment-page-1#comment-9497</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl L. Gechlik &#124; AskTheAdmin.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problemo! Let us know how it goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problemo! Let us know how it goes.</p>
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		<title>By: fastbullet</title>
		<link>http://www.asktheadmin.com/2009/01/why-am-i-getting-winmaildat-files-on-my.html/comment-page-1#comment-9492</link>
		<dc:creator>fastbullet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 05:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only now did I get back here to find the link you left, Karl.  I hope you didn&#039;t think I&#039;d lost interest or was too ignorant to respond.
I&#039;ll give this little gem a try and let everyone know about the results.

I appreciate you taking the time to hunt this down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only now did I get back here to find the link you left, Karl.  I hope you didn&#8217;t think I&#8217;d lost interest or was too ignorant to respond.<br />
I&#8217;ll give this little gem a try and let everyone know about the results.</p>
<p>I appreciate you taking the time to hunt this down.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl L. Gechlik &#124; AskTheAdmin.com</title>
		<link>http://www.asktheadmin.com/2009/01/why-am-i-getting-winmaildat-files-on-my.html/comment-page-1#comment-9428</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl L. Gechlik &#124; AskTheAdmin.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try this one:

http://www.broobles.com/eml2mbox/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try this one:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.broobles.com/eml2mbox/" rel="nofollow">http://www.broobles.com/eml2mbox/</a></p>
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		<title>By: fastbullet</title>
		<link>http://www.asktheadmin.com/2009/01/why-am-i-getting-winmaildat-files-on-my.html/comment-page-1#comment-9424</link>
		<dc:creator>fastbullet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TYVM !!</description>
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		<title>By: Karl L. Gechlik &#124; AskTheAdmin.com</title>
		<link>http://www.asktheadmin.com/2009/01/why-am-i-getting-winmaildat-files-on-my.html/comment-page-1#comment-9423</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl L. Gechlik &#124; AskTheAdmin.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me take a look around for you FastBullet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me take a look around for you FastBullet!</p>
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		<title>By: fastbullet</title>
		<link>http://www.asktheadmin.com/2009/01/why-am-i-getting-winmaildat-files-on-my.html/comment-page-1#comment-9422</link>
		<dc:creator>fastbullet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More recently than the above, I have begun to get Email attachments in a .eml format that my Linux computer won&#039;t open.  It turns out that this is another brilliant MS idea that seems to originate in Outlook and is seemingly only something that Outlook handles.

My solution, so far, has been either to send the Email back to where it came from or simply delete it, unopened.

Has anyone discovered a Linux-compatible app for this crap?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More recently than the above, I have begun to get Email attachments in a .eml format that my Linux computer won&#8217;t open.  It turns out that this is another brilliant MS idea that seems to originate in Outlook and is seemingly only something that Outlook handles.</p>
<p>My solution, so far, has been either to send the Email back to where it came from or simply delete it, unopened.</p>
<p>Has anyone discovered a Linux-compatible app for this crap?</p>
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		<title>By: Unknown</title>
		<link>http://www.asktheadmin.com/2009/01/why-am-i-getting-winmaildat-files-on-my.html/comment-page-1#comment-5010</link>
		<dc:creator>Unknown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good read thanks for the info  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good read thanks for the info</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn T Lippert</title>
		<link>http://www.asktheadmin.com/2009/01/why-am-i-getting-winmaildat-files-on-my.html/comment-page-1#comment-2393</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn T Lippert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good read thanks for the info</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good read thanks for the info</p>
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		<title>By: Unknown</title>
		<link>http://www.asktheadmin.com/2009/01/why-am-i-getting-winmaildat-files-on-my.html/comment-page-1#comment-5011</link>
		<dc:creator>Unknown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most convenient winmail.dat decoder for Windows is &lt;a HREF=&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/winmail_opener/&quot; &quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/winmail_opener/&quot; &lt;/a&gt;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/winmail_opener/&quot; &quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/winmail_opener/&quot; &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Winmail Opener&lt;/A&gt;  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most convenient winmail.dat decoder for Windows is <a HREF="<a href="<a href="http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/winmail_opener/" " rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/winmail_opener/" rel="nofollow">http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/winmail_opener/</a>&#8221; &#8220;><a href="http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/winmail_opener/" " rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/winmail_opener/" rel="nofollow">http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/winmail_opener/</a>&#8221; REL=&#8221;nofollow&#8221;>Winmail Opener</p>
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		<title>By: Unknown</title>
		<link>http://www.asktheadmin.com/2009/01/why-am-i-getting-winmaildat-files-on-my.html/comment-page-1#comment-7222</link>
		<dc:creator>Unknown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most convenient winmail.dat decoder for Windows is &lt;a HREF=&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/winmail_opener/&quot; &quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/winmail_opener/&quot; &lt;/a&gt;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/winmail_opener/&quot; &quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/winmail_opener/&quot; &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Winmail Opener&lt;/A&gt;  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most convenient winmail.dat decoder for Windows is <a HREF="<a href="<a href="http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/winmail_opener/" " rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/winmail_opener/" rel="nofollow">http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/winmail_opener/</a>&#8221; &#8220;><a href="http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/winmail_opener/" " rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/winmail_opener/" rel="nofollow">http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/winmail_opener/</a>&#8221; REL=&#8221;nofollow&#8221;>Winmail Opener</p>
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		<title>By: llx</title>
		<link>http://www.asktheadmin.com/2009/01/why-am-i-getting-winmaildat-files-on-my.html/comment-page-1#comment-1894</link>
		<dc:creator>llx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most convenient winmail.dat decoder for Windows is &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/winmail_opener/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Winmail Opener&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most convenient winmail.dat decoder for Windows is <a HREF="http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/winmail_opener/" REL="nofollow">Winmail Opener</a></p>
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		<title>By: llx</title>
		<link>http://www.asktheadmin.com/2009/01/why-am-i-getting-winmaildat-files-on-my.html/comment-page-1#comment-1893</link>
		<dc:creator>llx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most convenient winmail.dat decoder for Windows is &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/winmail_opener/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Winmail Opener&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most convenient winmail.dat decoder for Windows is <a HREF="http://www.eolsoft.com/freeware/winmail_opener/" REL="nofollow">Winmail Opener</a></p>
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		<title>By: Unknown</title>
		<link>http://www.asktheadmin.com/2009/01/why-am-i-getting-winmaildat-files-on-my.html/comment-page-1#comment-5012</link>
		<dc:creator>Unknown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can also try the Mail.app Plug-in OMiC from &lt;a HREF=&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.restoroot.com&quot; &quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.restoroot.com&quot; &lt;/a&gt;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.restoroot.com&quot; &quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.restoroot.com&quot; &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.restoroot.com&lt;/A rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &quot;&gt;http://www.restoroot.com&lt;/A&gt; &lt;/a&gt;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.restoroot.com&lt;/A rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &quot;&gt;http://www.restoroot.com&lt;/A&gt; &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;to work with winmail.dat files  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can also try the Mail.app Plug-in OMiC from <a HREF="<a href="<a href="http://www.restoroot.com" " rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.restoroot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.restoroot.com</a>&#8221; &#8220;><a href="http://www.restoroot.com" " rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.restoroot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.restoroot.com</a>&#8221; REL=&#8221;nofollow&#8221;> <a href="<a href="http://www.restoroot.com</A rel="nofollow"> &#8220;></a><a href="http://www.restoroot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.restoroot.com</a> &#8220;><a href="http://www.restoroot.com</A rel="nofollow"> &#8220;></a><a href="http://www.restoroot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.restoroot.com</a> to work with winmail.dat files</p>
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		<title>By: Unknown</title>
		<link>http://www.asktheadmin.com/2009/01/why-am-i-getting-winmaildat-files-on-my.html/comment-page-1#comment-7223</link>
		<dc:creator>Unknown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can also try the Mail.app Plug-in OMiC from &lt;a HREF=&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.restoroot.com&quot; &quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.restoroot.com&quot; &lt;/a&gt;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.restoroot.com&quot; &quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.restoroot.com&quot; &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.restoroot.com&lt;/A rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &quot;&gt;http://www.restoroot.com&lt;/A&gt; &lt;/a&gt;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.restoroot.com&lt;/A rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &quot;&gt;http://www.restoroot.com&lt;/A&gt; &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;to work with winmail.dat files  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can also try the Mail.app Plug-in OMiC from <a HREF="<a href="<a href="http://www.restoroot.com" " rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.restoroot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.restoroot.com</a>&#8221; &#8220;><a href="http://www.restoroot.com" " rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.restoroot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.restoroot.com</a>&#8221; REL=&#8221;nofollow&#8221;> <a href="<a href="http://www.restoroot.com</A rel="nofollow"> &#8220;></a><a href="http://www.restoroot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.restoroot.com</a> &#8220;><a href="http://www.restoroot.com</A rel="nofollow"> &#8220;></a><a href="http://www.restoroot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.restoroot.com</a> to work with winmail.dat files</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.asktheadmin.com/2009/01/why-am-i-getting-winmaildat-files-on-my.html/comment-page-1#comment-1695</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can also try the Mail.app Plug-in OMiC from &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.restoroot.com&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; http://www.restoroot.com&lt;/a&gt; to work with winmail.dat files</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can also try the Mail.app Plug-in OMiC from <a HREF="http://www.restoroot.com" REL="nofollow"> </a><a href="http://www.restoroot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.restoroot.com</a> to work with winmail.dat files</p>
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		<title>By: Unknown</title>
		<link>http://www.asktheadmin.com/2009/01/why-am-i-getting-winmaildat-files-on-my.html/comment-page-1#comment-5013</link>
		<dc:creator>Unknown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha How has MS survived this long? By doing things just like this that makes people either run away screaming from MS or say lets just use all MS products and keep our fingers crossed that they play nicely...&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I am really starting to love UBUNTU!  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha How has MS survived this long? By doing things just like this that makes people either run away screaming from MS or say lets just use all MS products and keep our fingers crossed that they play nicely&#8230;</p>
<p>I am really starting to love UBUNTU!</p>
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		<title>By: Karl L. Gechlik</title>
		<link>http://www.asktheadmin.com/2009/01/why-am-i-getting-winmaildat-files-on-my.html/comment-page-1#comment-1383</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl L. Gechlik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha How has MS survived this long? By doing things just like this that makes people either run away screaming from MS or say lets just use all MS products and keep our fingers crossed that they play nicely...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I am really starting to love UBUNTU!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha How has MS survived this long? By doing things just like this that makes people either run away screaming from MS or say lets just use all MS products and keep our fingers crossed that they play nicely&#8230;</p>
<p>I am really starting to love UBUNTU!</p>
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		<title>By: The Slothman</title>
		<link>http://www.asktheadmin.com/2009/01/why-am-i-getting-winmaildat-files-on-my.html/comment-page-1#comment-1382</link>
		<dc:creator>The Slothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS:  Here&#039;s an official release from IBM/Lotus on this.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=899&amp;uid=swg21093342&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fix to TNEF&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You&#039;ll notice they mention the same stuff I do, as I originally got the info from their forums.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;PS:  I don&#039;t run that release/fix of Notes so I don&#039;t have that ability to fix the problem on the fly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS:  Here&#8217;s an official release from IBM/Lotus on this.</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=899&#038;uid=swg21093342" REL="nofollow">Fix to TNEF</a></p>
<p>You&#8217;ll notice they mention the same stuff I do, as I originally got the info from their forums.</p>
<p>PS:  I don&#8217;t run that release/fix of Notes so I don&#8217;t have that ability to fix the problem on the fly.</p>
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		<title>By: The Slothman</title>
		<link>http://www.asktheadmin.com/2009/01/why-am-i-getting-winmaildat-files-on-my.html/comment-page-1#comment-1381</link>
		<dc:creator>The Slothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This problem also exists in Lotus Notes.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Here is the fix we used here for Lotus Notes to be able to open the Winmail.dat files.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.nsftools.com/tips/NotesTips.htm#extracttnef&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lotus Notes Fix&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Also, there is a couple third party tools, that are free for the most part.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.fentun.com/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fentun&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.biblet.freeserve.co.uk/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WMDECODE&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ve found that the Lotus Notes fix above does not always extract the attachment, so I have to try Fentun or WMDECODE.  One of those tools will inevitably extract the attachments that are contained within the winmail.dat file.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I forgot to mention that I despise the audacity of MS to create this file because it ASSUMES that Outlook, or Outlook Express is on the other end, basically telling all other mail programs to go &#039;F&#039; themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This problem also exists in Lotus Notes.</p>
<p>Here is the fix we used here for Lotus Notes to be able to open the Winmail.dat files.</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.nsftools.com/tips/NotesTips.htm#extracttnef" REL="nofollow">Lotus Notes Fix</a></p>
<p>Also, there is a couple third party tools, that are free for the most part.  </p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.fentun.com/" REL="nofollow">Fentun</a></p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.biblet.freeserve.co.uk/" REL="nofollow">WMDECODE</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found that the Lotus Notes fix above does not always extract the attachment, so I have to try Fentun or WMDECODE.  One of those tools will inevitably extract the attachments that are contained within the winmail.dat file.</p>
<p>I forgot to mention that I despise the audacity of MS to create this file because it ASSUMES that Outlook, or Outlook Express is on the other end, basically telling all other mail programs to go &#8216;F&#8217; themselves.</p>
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